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komentarai (408) | “Dar kartą apie sms balsavimus TV laidoje ||| Politikos cirkas”

  1.   ichmbch rašo:

    Šitas balsavimas visgi yra labiau žaidimas nei rimtas reikalas, todėl nieko neigiamo neįžvelgiu ir "Labas" kortelių istorijoje. Visgi balsuoti buvo prašyta savanorių, kurie reik manyt ištiesų palaiko gerb. Jurgį, o kad partija savo palaikymo kompanijai paaukojo kelis litukus manau visai natūralus dalykas. Nors tai ir žaidimas (neturintis beveik jokios realios įtakos), bet jį laimėti visgi yra principo reikalas.

    O kas liečia JKL išsakytą poziciją dėl balsavimo, manyčiau, kad tai jaunimo patirties stoka. Neprotinga skelbti tokias pozicijas, kai žinoma, kad dar keli šimtai organizacijos narių žino, kad patys elgiasi priešingai išsakytai pozicijai.

  2.   e.f.i. rašo:

    2 ichmbch - tokie zaidimai naudojami del paprastos priezasties. Kaip jau minejau ankstesnio posto komentare, jie primena apklausas ir padeda sukurti pergales iliuzija. Padeda padaryti ispudi, kad "Tauta mus palaiko".

    Kam to reikia? Ogi labai paprastam dalykui. Zmones nenori balsuoti uz tuos, kurie pralos. Jie nenori atiduoti balso tam, kuris nepateks i seima, nes tokiu atveju jaucia, tarsi ju balsas butu nuejes suniui ant uodegos.

    Tuo tarpu sudarydami ispudi, kad pirmauja, politikai padeda isvengti sios baimes. Tokiu atveju rinkejas kur kas lengviau apsispres ju naudai - ar bent jau i trauks partija i "potencialiu laimetoju shortlist'a", is kurio rinksis. Na, o politikui verciau jau konkuruoti su trim kopnkurentais, nei su trisdesimcia.

    Aisku, cia nekalbu apie idejinius rinkejus, kurie balsuos uz partija bet kuriuo atveju. Kalbu apie 30 proc. neapsisprendusiu, kurie sprendima priims prie balsadeziu ir kurie galu gale nulems rinkimu rezultatus.

    Del pastabos, esa sis zaidimas neturi realios itakos - ka gi, kodel tuomet tas pats razma eina i TV? juk puikiai zino, kad tai tik vienas is galbut ne keliu simtu viesu pasisakymu, kuriuos ji tures iki rinkimu. Ir kad auditorija vistik ne TV3 ar LNK, ir kad zmones pamirs, ka jis ten pasakojo… Bet juk eina, ar ne? Nes puikiai zino, kad negalima isvengti nei vienos progos viesai pasisakyti.

    Na, o del to korteliu reikalo apskritai… Galetu juk atsistori jaunieji konservai ir psakyti - "taip, naudojames sia galimybe ir remiame savo partijos nari, juk TV balsavimai yra liaudies balsas, o mes - taip pat liaudies dalis." Ir viskas, niekas negaletu ju pasmekti. Bet ne, aiskina esa jie kitokie ir sventesni uz popieziu, smerkia kazka. ne tik galva i kilpa kisa - ne, jie ir virve atsinese, ir kilpa uzsimezge, ir mazga issimuilavo… ir visa laika rekia, kad juos karia

  3.   Anonimas rašo:

    Kad, toks laiskas buvo neneigia ir jaunieji konservatoriai kaip suprantu. Tik jie neigia, kad tai ju paciu laiskas. T.y. laiska siunte ne tas kas nurodyta 'From' laukelyje :) Nu nes nesueina galai niekaip man. Gali buti kvaili ir nepatyre ir t.t. tie jaunieji, bet sitaip akivaizdziai (siusti i atvira konferencija tokius laiskus, dalinti korteles prie seimo, skelbti numeri tsajunga.lt) negali elgtis.

    O del paneigimo tau asmeniskai, tai nemanau, kad jie aplamai zino apie sita blogo irasa :)

    Aisku butu idomiausiai, jei pats su jeis susiektum ir pamegintum issaiskint visus niuansus. Arba, kad tiesiog pateiktu irodymus arba issklaidytu abejones. Jei zinoma jie tai gali padaryti :)

  4.   e.f.i. rašo:

    Anonimui - zino, zino konservatoriai apie si posta. Ziu adresa http://www.balsas.lt/naujiena/196676 - pageindine naujioena Balse, plius irasa anonsuojamas ju rubrikoje "Zodziai tinkle".

    Idomus Juknevicienes komentaras - gal kiti taip ir daro, o at mes tai ne. Juokinga, as vaiku darzelyje panasiais argumentais teisindavausi :)

    O del kvailumo ir nepatyrimo - kaip au minejau, jei tai reguliari praktika, niekam net i galva nesautu parintis.

  5.   ichmbch rašo:

    e.f.i. >

    atidžiau skaityk ;)

    aš rašiau, kad žaidimas yra balsavimas, o ne dalyvavimas laidoje.

  6.   Mauras rašo:

    Nesigilinant į kai kurių politikų potraukį ir neišvengiamą būtinybę visiems žaisti televizinius žaidimus, tie debatai yra visų pirma šou, o SMSiniai balsavimai primena eurovizijas "kas ką nubalsuos".

    Bet jei žinote, kas yra "Halo efektas", pasidarys aišku, kodėl taip svarbu prieš tūkstantinę žiūrovų auditoriją būti palaikytam didesniu skaičiuku žinučių.
    Iš tiesų viskas labai paprasta - psichologiškai neapsisprendusiam, neturinčiam nuomonės žmogui politikas, už kurį balsuoja "daugiau žiūrovų", atrodo labiau patikimas. Tai žino ir tuo naudojasi manipuliavimo kitais specialistai - politikai ir jų rinkimų kampanijų "architektai".

    Todėl manau kad bent jau LTV pati turėtų uždraust žinutes kaip manipuliavimo viešąja nuomone priemonę, nebent pelnas mobilaus ryšio operatoriams yra svarbesnis. Savikontrolė veiksmingesnė už kontrolę.

  7.   e.f.i. rašo:

    ichmbch, atidziau skaityk :)

    as rasiau, kad pergale balsuojat kelia populiarumo iliuzija. Politikai tuo uzsiima del tos pacios priezasties, del kurios ir eina i TV, lai tai tera 5 kanalas - tai dar vienas indelis siekiant pergales busimuose rinkimuose.

    Aisku, jis nera groundbreaking, bet tokiu ir nebuna. Cia ne revoliucija, kai pokyciai ivyksta staiga, juos reikia stumti isnaudojant net maziausias progas.

  8.   Anonimas rašo:

    As kiek zinau, jog tai teisybe del sms siuntinejimo ir JKL ir niekas nenori cia specialiai daryti vienai ar kitai partija. Cia tiesiog susiratimas: tu man, as tau. Aisku cia politikos vadovai ir JKL pirmininkes bendradarbiavimas:):) Net geda turetu buti

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